does, he has a major advantage and that is most of the stuff that ryan is selling, especially on the economy is just not true. it has a proven track record of failure. chris: is he the kind of guy to do that? >> the record, that's what he has to do. chris: if he keeps it serious and sober, will he beat joe biden, doesn't he have to be the puppy dog that slobbers all over you? >> he's planning to go after paul ryan's budget cuts and make them specific and make them real. you can talk about the fiscal cliff and you can talk about it but making the initial ryan budget, not the revised budget. that's what they'll talk about. >> he can say congressman, you want my 94-year-old mother to make a marked decision on medicare, that's cruel? chris: you know what my grandpa would say to that? a great roundtable, sam donaldson, andrea mitchell, s.e. cupp, and joe klein. that's the show. see you back here next week.